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Frantically Relaxing
06-18-2015, 07:44 AM
Last weekend our SkipperLiner started taking on water. A bilge pump is keeping the water out (about 1/2 gallon a minute I estimate)

I've been trying to trailer this thing for nearly 2 years but low water has prevented it- trailer hits the lake bottom (long story for another time)

SO I'm forced to have a crane pull it out! This is going to happen exactly 8 hours from now--

Just found out SkipperLiner went out of business again last September, so I'm asking here:

My question: Can this boat be lifted out by the 8 cleats rather than a sling? Pic is below showing the cleats. The cleats are 1" diameter solid(?) steel welded to the edges. Depending on how I adjust for the shape of the hull, I get somewhere between 34,000 and 38,000 pounds. Not sure if the math works this way but that comes to 5000# or less weight each cleat would have to support. I don't know if there's any reinforcement below the cleats.

The hull is trussed, 16" centers I think. We can sling it easy enough, but the whole job would go much faster if pulling by the cleats is do-able...

THANKS!

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/skip1.jpg

GoVols
06-18-2015, 07:50 AM
Cleats aren't designed to lift the weight of the boat. Won't your siderails get in the way of the straps anyway? I'm betting you'd rip the cleats out of the hull, which would create a bigger mess for you in the end.

Odds are, your leak is coming from around the engine area. Can't you, at least, get the rear of the boat up on the trailer and have the rear end pulled up and out of the water for inspection? A guy did this on our boat ramp this week with his 68' Sumerset.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
06-18-2015, 08:01 AM
No no no no no

Frantically Relaxing
06-18-2015, 08:05 AM
The leak is coming from the front half of the boat. Basement is totally floored, but there's 3 thru-hulls, one at the front bulkhead (transducer) and 2 lakewater inlets at about 30' from the bow, there's access thru the floor to these. Hull is dead flat in back, with a 7 deadrise that peaks at 40' forward at the bulkhead, so any water runs downhill. The rear access and as far forward as I can see (not far for the trusses) is bone dry. I'm pretty sure I know where the leak is, there was a previously-repaired (if you can call it that) rust spot about 12' back of the forward bulkhead all of a square foot's worth... I'm pretty sure that's where my leak is...

Thanks guys, I didn't think the cleats would be viable, but I thought I should at least ask! This is all new to me... Never thought I'd need a crane... :(

OLD HOUSEBOATER
06-18-2015, 08:18 AM
If repaired meant patched your the victim of shoddy workmanship. Proper repair is cutting out the rusted section and replacing with new metal. You should be able to get to ANY area of the inside of the hull to keep it free from corrosion. We owned 7 metal house boats 1 Carri 3 River Queens 2 KingsCrafts and a Pluckebaum. 4 were steel. I maintained every inch of the inside of the hulls rust free.

desimulacra
06-18-2015, 08:52 AM
I used to be a heavy lift rigger. Everyone has covered it, use straps/slings.

Frantically Relaxing
06-18-2015, 09:57 AM
I have no such access to the hull proper, basement is finished for storage and sleeping arrangements...

Front basement access next to the helm...

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/base1.jpg


looking to stern just below the access hole. In the back is the 100gal black tank, to the right is the 52 gallon fresh water tank.

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/base2.jpg


Moving the camera to the right, behind the tank are the doors to the lower staterooms. Right behind the gallon jug is the hull access to the 2 thru hulls. Access hole is a foot square. (The other access is at the very front-middle against the bulkhead)

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/base3.jpg


From topside, looking down into the stateroom area...

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/base4.jpg

Frantically Relaxing
06-18-2015, 09:58 AM
to the left is one bedroom, second pic shows shelving. To the left of the shelving not shown are access doors, next to the black tank and all its plumbing...

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/base5.jpg

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/base6.jpg


to the right is the 'kids' low-ceiling bedroom, and the access doors shown in the 3rd pic.
http://www.engraver1.com/skip/base7.jpg

I suppose if I'm willing to hack up the floor downstairs I have "access"... ;)

pirate
06-18-2015, 11:09 AM
Never use cleats to lift a boat, Does anyone have a travel lift near you? It would save a lot of cash.

desimulacra
06-18-2015, 11:34 AM
like the looks of your boat. That blue "screen" you're using, does it stop skeeters?

BananaTom
06-18-2015, 02:00 PM
Does anyone have a travel lift near you?

If I remember correctly from his join date, there is no travel lift on this lake, he made a custom trailer to splash it, and then to pull it from time to time.

And with the drought in that area, that lake is only gonna get smaller. They need a tropical storm to head that way.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
06-18-2015, 05:30 PM
I cut access hatches in all 3 River Queens to get access to all bilge areas. You REALLY need to be able to inspect and service all areas of the bilge in a steel boat. Steel boats rust out from the inside out. If you think I'm trying to scare you YOUR RIGHT. You need to check all areas of the bilge.

Frantically Relaxing
06-19-2015, 11:19 PM
Better memory than me, Tom! We don't have running water yet, let alone a travel lift!

And yes, the screens help with the skeeters, but their main function is to cut down the heat. We pulled them off one year, and even tho the windows are tinted quite dark, the AC couldn't EVEN keep up. Screens went back up! BTW, the first set of pics above were taken 9 years ago when the boat was still at Powell. The pull-out pics below are obviously yesterday! All the screens and Sunbrella are the same (although the top still has our winter cover on, which is used billboard vinyl). I mention this because my screens look better today than 9 years ago, and I owe it to Krylon's plastic paint. I've painted all the screens every other year. They ARE just about worn out finally, around the seams, but I can't complain. And the blue sunbrella is going on 20 years old, and only the stitching is suffering.

The pull was pretty much non-eventful, which is good. The admiral got pics of the beginning and end, some are below. All else was video, hope to get some on you tube soon... I told the crane crew my upper estimate of the weight was 36,000 pounds, they told me afterwards it was between 32 and 33,000, so I was close anyway...

As for the leak... Well... No pics yet, but l'll just say "galvanic corrosion" and leave it at that. It's bad.

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/1.jpg

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/3.jpg

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/4.jpg

http://www.engraver1.com/skip/5.jpg

desimulacra
06-23-2015, 05:06 AM
Glad the lift went well..Keep us posted

Endurance
06-25-2015, 09:21 AM
Great pictures! Is that just a converter dolly under your trailer that you tow with a pickup?

Frantically Relaxing
06-25-2015, 12:12 PM
Great pictures! Is that just a converter dolly under your trailer that you tow with a pickup?
Yes indeed! It's a double-axle with just 4 rag tires & wheels. Got it for a song (with the rag tires ;) ), so I could move the trailer around here myself. Picked up a pintle hitch from Cal Ranch, works great!

-- but this was the first time I ever actually moved the houseboat myself, 500' across a rutted dirt road on the dike. And I got no pics of it! I'm hoping someone at the harbor got some!

Here's some video the wife shot of the pull, in between charging her phone battery...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJoEH2L7J-g

easttnboater
06-26-2015, 05:22 AM
Dang. I would have been puckered up the whole time the boat was in the air. Especially when they swung it over your truck.

Endurance
06-26-2015, 08:32 AM
Wow, FR. With a pivot point at your fifth wheel and another at your pintle hook, you must have some awesome skills to back that thing. I would love to see that!