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JTAlberts
07-28-2013, 06:48 AM
Finally had a weekend for the boat. The starboard engine didn't want to start but when it did the water pump was squealing like a pig. I fought with it and finally changed out the impellers and that took care of it. Now the engine wont idle. I belive it is fuel related. Either water in the gas or a clogged filter. It runs rough and stalls at idle but with throttle it seems fine.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
07-28-2013, 12:53 PM
Pull the carb top and take a look. If you havent pumped the bottom of your fuel tanks you could of picked up a slug of crap when you accelerated and the bow came up. Fuel pick up is about an inch off the bottom and the crud is sitting there waiting to getcha.

JTAlberts
07-28-2013, 04:16 PM
Just an update. Our 19ft open bow is now doing exactly the same thing. I love boating.

42gibson
07-29-2013, 03:47 AM
do you fill them both up at your marina? if so,its water.its happening here as well, the river has been so high they haven't bought any new gas and are using last years gas which has water in it from just sitting. i'm glad I have racor fuel seperators,but as it stands I wont need any gas this year. were still up 3 feet and a tree fell and cut our docks in half....yes, we also love boating !!!!

JTAlberts
07-29-2013, 05:42 AM
I think it is a bit of both water and gunk. Watching over top of the carb when it is running, the one jet just drips fuel into the carb. There isn't a fine mist of gas, just large drops. I am going to start changing out all the filters and hope that clears it. If not I think I might need a rebuild of that carb.

As for the little boat, I can't even get it to start now. It will turn over, but I am not getting any spark. As I am pretty unfamiliar with this engine system and what all makes it run, I found a fuel/water seperator on it. I am going to attempt to change that and see how it does. From there I will start pulling plugs to see how they look.

JTAlberts
07-29-2013, 05:45 AM
do you fill them both up at your marina? if so,its water.its happening here as well, the river has been so high they haven't bought any new gas and are using last years gas which has water in it from just sitting. i'm glad I have racor fuel seperators,but as it stands I wont need any gas this year. were still up 3 feet and a tree fell and cut our docks in half....yes, we also love boating !!!!


This year has been just a pain in the butt for boating. I haven't had much time to even be on the boat, but pretty much 95% of my time on it so far has been wrenching on it. Now 2 are broke and it seems like a similar issue. I am betting on water in the gas.


Also, even though I used Stabil this gas in both boats is from last year. Our dock buys Ethanol free, however with my large tanks I can guarantee that I still had some ethanol left swimming around.

JTAlberts
07-29-2013, 05:46 AM
Boating is truly karma at its finest. When taking the open bow out yesterday, it started fine and ran great. I said to my wife, "At least we have this boat that works great". Once I powered down a couple miles down river it started running like crap. Go figure.

As for the houseboat, I created a list of all the things that I wanted to do on the boat this fall. Replacing both gas tanks were on that list. I then started to think about it and said, "I haven't had any problems with them, why worry about it". Well, the ghosts of the boat got their hopes up for new gas tanks and are going to make me do it. Looks like that floor will be ripped up after all.

42gibson
07-29-2013, 06:21 AM
Boating is truly karma at its finest. When taking the open bow out yesterday, it started fine and ran great. I said to my wife, "At least we have this boat that works great". Once I powered down a couple miles down river it started running like crap. Go figure.

As for the houseboat, I created a list of all the things that I wanted to do on the boat this fall. Replacing both gas tanks were on that list. I then started to think about it and said, "I haven't had any problems with them, why worry about it". Well, the ghosts of the boat got their hopes up for new gas tanks and are going to make me do it. Looks like that floor will be ripped up after all.can you get a hose to the rear of the tank? if you can,pump some gas out and check for water or phase separation. you know as long as that boat sat you more than likely have gunk in the tank. if their not leaking why replace them? just a thought.

JTAlberts
07-29-2013, 06:31 AM
can you get a hose to the rear of the tank? if you can,pump some gas out and check for water or phase separation. you know as long as that boat sat you more than likely have gunk in the tank. if their not leaking why replace them? just a thought.

I know they are the original tanks. I know they don't leak. I was going to replace them as we were going to redo some of the interior. I figured it was as good a time as any to do it. I am able to get to one of the fuel sending units through an access in the floor. I will try and take it off and see what is there.

JTAlberts
07-31-2013, 05:49 AM
So I went down to the runabout last night and it fired right up. Ran really well. I let it run for about 20 minutes and then shut it down to adjust the throttle cable as I had it to tight. It wouldn't start up after that. It would just turn over and over. I emptied the fuel water separator, as I didn't have a replacement on hand. My dumbass dumped it into a plastic cup thinking that would be fine to let it separate in. Well that test quickly went out the window when the cup started to dissolve from the gas. Since I let the boat sit and it started up, I plan on running the tank empty this weekend and putting in some new gas to see if that resolves it.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
07-31-2013, 10:14 AM
Your gas pick up is an inch off the bottom of the tank. Get a 7 dollar hand pump from Walmart and pump the bottom of the tank where the crap sets. A piece of 3/8 copper tubing fits the suction tube on the hand pump and you can "steer" it any place inside the tank.

JTAlberts
08-01-2013, 07:55 PM
Well, I finally got the fuel water separator filter off. Below is a picture of my gas. This was poured into a shiny metal container.

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JTAlberts
08-01-2013, 07:58 PM
Before it got cloudy, there were a lot of chunks of rust in it. You can see it settled on the bottom. On the second pour, it came out more yellow. It had the coloring of a first morning pee. So either my gas is just a mess or someone is using my gas tank as a urinal.

The runabouts gas wasn't bad. That boat has me totally stumped. It almost acts like an electrical problem as well. After shutting down the engine, I went to restart it. I lost everything electrical. I would take the negative terminals off and it would almost reset itself.

JTAlberts
08-03-2013, 07:16 AM
Took off the fuel sender. All the gas is orange. The tank looks to be full of rust chips as well. It is also 3/4s full.

GoVols
08-05-2013, 07:41 AM
So, are your fuel tanks made from steel or is this rust being pumped into the tanks with the gas? I believe my tanks are aluminum, so hopefully I won't experience this issue. I don't believe my boat has fuel seperators, which kinda scares me. I don't even think it has fuel filters for that matter either. Mine has outboards, so it's a different setup than everyone else here. I think when I ge around to replacing the fuel lines this winter, I'll install a giant in-line fuel filter as well. Can't believe it didn't come with this!

JTAlberts
08-05-2013, 08:05 AM
The tanks are steel. They are the original tanks so they are 42 years old. I get my carb rebuild kit tomorrow and hopefully they can get it rebuilt by the end of the week. I'd like to get it back on the boat this weekend.

easttnboater
08-06-2013, 05:20 AM
Your rebuilt carb is not going to survive long on a diet of what is in that can. I am assuming that you are going to replace your tanks.

JTAlberts
08-06-2013, 06:10 AM
Your rebuilt carb is not going to survive long on a diet of what is in that can. I am assuming that you are going to replace your tanks.

Yup. I am hoping to just get that engine running for the remainder of the year. I am going to pull the tanks this off season. I am going to get it all pumped out when I get the time.

Time is the hardest part right now. Baby #1 is due any time and we are also renovating a house.

GoVols
08-06-2013, 06:25 AM
I have 6 year old and 5 year old boys. Nothing puts a damper on weekend projects like having the kids aboard! I'm constantly breaking up fights and trying to keep them entertained so they don't break anything. Get the work done before your newborn arrives!

JTAlberts
08-06-2013, 06:57 AM
I have 6 year old and 5 year old boys. Nothing puts a damper on weekend projects like having the kids aboard! I'm constantly breaking up fights and trying to keep them entertained so they don't break anything. Get the work done before your newborn arrives!


I have been trying but lately things just don't work out that way. I hope I can get some things resolved this weekend. The rebuild kit is here today and a mechanic friend is going to help look at the run about. I bought a new ignition coil to see if that will take care of it. I plan burning a lot of gas this weekend from the nasty large tank. I pumped about 3 gallons out so far and then the little red pump broke on me.

easttnboater
08-07-2013, 05:11 AM
I don't think you are going to be burning much of the "nasty" gas. I would say that the red pump broke for a reason. i.e. - if you try to run that fuel through your carbs, you will ruin them.

JTAlberts
08-07-2013, 06:29 AM
I don't think you are going to be burning much of the "nasty" gas. I would say that the red pump broke for a reason. i.e. - if you try to run that fuel through your carbs, you will ruin them.

I meant after I pump it out. The people that run the marina seem to love a good fire. They are loaning me a barrel to put the gas in and they get to keep all of it.

easttnboater
08-07-2013, 11:15 AM
OK. That makes more sense. Good luck in draining the tanks.

JTAlberts
08-08-2013, 07:59 PM
I believe I resolved the issues with our run about. I changed the ignition coil and it seemed to help a little however the hesitation was still there. I removed the distributor cap and cleaned off a lot of corrosion. After that the boat fired right up and all the hesitation was gone. My rpms were dead solid as well. I didn't take it out for a run as there was no one out to tow me back if I had problems but I was not able to reproduce the problem. I am going to take it out tomorrow for the final test. I plan on pumping the houseboat's tanks tomorrow. I hope it goes smooth.

JTAlberts
08-13-2013, 07:00 AM
I just got the carburetor back from the mechanic. He said that he had to soak it for 2 days to get all the crud out of it. There had been water in it for some time now. I need to address the tanks issue as well as the water running straight onto the carburetor from the engine hatch channel overflowing.

easttnboater
08-14-2013, 05:52 AM
Good deal - you are making progress. My hatch channels also overflow, but luckily do not drip directly on the engines. I don't know why it seems that designing a hatch gutter that works is so difficult.

JTAlberts
08-14-2013, 06:22 AM
Good deal - you are making progress. My hatch channels also overflow, but luckily do not drip directly on the engines. I don't know why it seems that designing a hatch gutter that works is so difficult.


That is what I am amazed at. The other side of the coin is how do they create the hatch and not realize they overflow right on top of the carburetor. I am going to create a couple more drain holes in the gutter to see if that will help the situation. There are currently two big saucers that on top of the air arrestor that deflect the water from the top of the carb. The bad part is it pools on top of my intake manifold. I need to figure something out to stop that from happening as well.

JTAlberts
08-15-2013, 06:58 PM
Put the rebuilt carb on and replaced my metal fuel lines with CG approved fuel lines. I hope tp pump out the bad gas this next week.

JTAlberts
09-14-2013, 07:51 PM
Well that took a month. Finally got the tank emptied. I am gonna put in about 10 gallons tomorrow to see if the starboard will run. Interestingly enough the port engine died after idling for about 5 minutes and it looks like it is out of gas. OHB, before I tear up the floor to take off this fuel sender, were these tanks ever tied together? I validated that I pumped the starboard engine's tank but it acts like I emptied both. I know you don't know specifically but is that normal or are they separate for each engine?

JTAlberts
09-15-2013, 01:12 PM
I discovered that the tanks aren't tied together. Still about 65 gallons in my port engine tank. So the carb isn't getting any gas. It is either the fuel pump, fuel pickup, or I am going to try and prime the water separator. I am ready to get this boat on the hard and gut it. Just a horrible year. Anyone have any guesses as to what else it could be?

42gibson
09-15-2013, 04:25 PM
it happened to me once on the old boat.i took the fuel line off the water separator and blew back through the line into the tank,something in the tank blocked it off.it never happened again.

JTAlberts
09-19-2013, 09:27 AM
Well, I got the port side engine running last night. I replaced the old copper fuel line with USCG approved fuel line all the way to the tank. I blew back down the lines and siphoned gas up through the fuel pump. The engine started right up and ran great. Except for the squeal when I give her gas. I am working on buying a new belt for her. BAH! I forgot my gas cans yesterday to try and work on the other engine, but I will try and do that tonight or this weekend.

JTAlberts
09-20-2013, 05:55 AM
Success!!! Both engines are running great. I plan on pulling the boat this weekend before something else happens.

Stmbtwle
09-20-2013, 06:17 AM
Take it out and play with it first!

JTAlberts
09-20-2013, 06:49 AM
Take it out and play with it first!

I want to, but with my luck this year I don't want to test it. I am going to get her oil changed and antifreeze in her. Then go about ripping out the old tanks.

JTAlberts
10-05-2013, 04:46 PM
Well I made it up river for dry dock.. Starboard transmission started squealing realky bad on the way. Shut her down and now wont go in gear. Looks like the rebuild is happening.