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Jakebg
09-22-2012, 04:45 PM
We are looking for our first houseboat and need some advice.We are looking at Two different Gibsons tomorrow. A 1982 Lazycruz 50' single volvo penta 145a and 280 outdrive ,no generator at present . Great top, dry bilge area, and dry through out boat. needs updating pretty much orginal.cabin to deck seals all good and no sign of any leaks.In covered slip hasnt been out in couple of years. The other is a 12x 36 Gibson ,twin 440 chryslers v drive, generator,again pretty orginal 1982,again needs updating and dry hull. covered slip.good top with operating Flybridge. i have a shot at either .Its me and my wife ,with two grown sons and 3 grandskids. I am very mechanical and have remodled houses. from what i can see the hulls(fiberglass) look nice inside and out. I can get either in the 13000- to 15000 range.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
09-22-2012, 08:18 PM
Single engine houseboats are a bear to handle. When you learn how your a better boater than most. Also very economical.

The 36 with twin 440s is a hot rod and a heck of a lot of fun. You can pull a bunch of skiers if you can afford the fuel.:cool:

The baby Volvo is tough to get parts for. Especially carbs and manifolds.
The 440s are expensive to recondition and manifolds are scarce, but should last your period of ownership.

You picked 2 unusual boats to evaluate. Suggestion. If your into glass, look for a 42 or 44 Gibson with 350s and Vee drives. 350s are cheap to maintain and service is available every where.

A 44 is 14 feet wide tons more room than a 12 wide 42.

Here's the deal - buy the biggest boat you can swing and it will prevent you from having to buy what you really wanted a year from now.

Read the Newbies warning sticky at the top of this section !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BananaTom
09-23-2012, 12:43 PM
Look at 14' beam before you choose a 12'. Big difference.

BananaTom
09-23-2012, 12:44 PM
And do read the Newbie thing OHB is referring to.

Survey, Survey, Out of Water Survey!!

Jakebg
09-23-2012, 06:30 PM
Got a chance to take a good look at the Lazy cruz today. Crawled from front to back , was powder dry no sign of ever being wet. sounded each stringer ,and along knell with hammer. All sounded sharp and solid. transom was solid and very dry. Engine ran fine and strong,but outdrive wouldnt shift into reverse,could be linkage problem.Inside is in good shape just dated.Only one soft spot on deck(dinner plate size) at corner of rear cabin ,we pull paneling back and didnt look to bad easy fix. Can't get a suvey till next week at earliest. i have a guy that told me he would pull the boat check outdrive and put it back in for $800 plus parts for the drive,he doesnt think it is much of a problem.I can get the boat for 12000 and keep the covered slip. i dont want to be stupid ,but another guy wants it too and i have till wednesday to let them know.

DitchRider
09-23-2012, 06:51 PM
Avoid outdrives... Vee Drives are your friend..

Deck softspots are bad...

There are tons of boats for sale... take your time, you'll find the perfect boat.



Got a chance to take a good look at the Lazy cruz today. Crawled from front to back , was powder dry no sign of ever being wet. sounded each stringer ,and along knell with hammer. All sounded sharp and solid. transom was solid and very dry. Engine ran fine and strong,but outdrive wouldnt shift into reverse,could be linkage problem.Inside is in good shape just dated.Only one soft spot on deck(dinner plate size) at corner of rear cabin ,we pull paneling back and didnt look to bad easy fix. Can't get a suvey till next week at earliest. i have a guy that told me he would pull the boat check outdrive and put it back in for $800 plus parts for the drive,he doesnt think it is much of a problem.I can get the boat for 12000 and keep the covered slip. i dont want to be stupid ,but another guy wants it too and i have till wednesday to let them know.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
09-24-2012, 02:57 AM
You will try to sell it in a year or less.

Jakebg
09-24-2012, 05:32 AM
Why do you think that ? I know i'm new to this and value your experience, i'm open to all sugguestions. Projects dont scare me,that part of the fun!

Tony B
09-24-2012, 06:07 AM
Got a chance to take a good look at the Lazy cruz today. ............ ,but another guy wants it too and i have till wednesday to let them know.
Why do you have till Wed.?
Is the seller giving you till Wed?
I am selling my boat and the first one to put money down owns it. I wouldn't wait and risk losing a sale. Anyway, I am probably misunderstanding.

Jakebg
09-24-2012, 08:38 AM
I was the first to call and look at it. I worked around the seller's time to look at it. Just a decent guy i guess.

Tony B
09-24-2012, 08:49 AM
You are lucky. That is kind of rare.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
09-24-2012, 09:40 AM
You will be selling it because it's an underpowered single engine boat that is a PITA to handle and dock.

All that being said You will have gained experience and will not lose too much money.

If your handy and like to putter (I am) a boat is a good choice to work on. It's fun and you get to ride your hobby.

Good Luck what ever your decision.

BananaTom
09-24-2012, 01:29 PM
The thing I would be concerned about is a single engine. I have driven several. They do not track staright. You always have to counter steer to maintain a some what straight line.

With twins, set your course, and put your feet up.

So, if you are going to be dock sitter, no problem.

But if you are going to use it away from the dock, you will not like manuvering it. And when you do, have lots of large fenders down.

I would only own a twin.

Jakebg
09-24-2012, 03:33 PM
Hey guys thanks for all the input. That why i like this site,others helping others.I am still on the search for a good twin .The lake i am on is pretty open, so docking is where twins would be a great help.My travels would be leaving the dock and looking for a quiet cove to hang out in for the weekend.

OLD HOUSEBOATER
09-24-2012, 04:56 PM
Go for it then.

clarencio5
09-25-2012, 12:02 PM
You only need a single engine. Sure, twins are super nice to have (you can turn in your own length--big deal) but the fuel and maintenance is a lot higher. This will be your first houseboat. That means if you really enjoy this hobby you will want something bigger, further down the road. If you don't want to continue, then it hasn't cost you as much and you have learned a lot.
I travelled over 3000 miles on my single engine houseboat, under all kinds of conditions. Having twin engines would have made life easier some times.. But, there are a lot of things that would have made life easier!

Jakebg
10-03-2012, 03:08 PM
Well i bit the bullet and bought my first houseboat. A 1982 Gibson Lazycruz 50' with a single volvo 145a and 280 outdrive. I know it will be a pig to drive,but hey its big. So the fun begins on the remod. It is dry and really solid has spent the last several years under cover and got a great slip with the boat. So the questions will begin shortly!

easttnboater
10-03-2012, 03:15 PM
Congratulations. Have fun with it.

Endurance
10-03-2012, 03:35 PM
Good work. If I were choosing an outdrive for that vintage boat, a Volvo 280 would top my list. They shift smoothly and are pretty much bulletproof. Volvo used them behind 350 chevys that they rated around 240hp and they performed admirably. It should serve very nicely behind a 145hp motor.

Tony B
10-03-2012, 04:39 PM
Congrats on your new houseboat.
Enjoy the heck out of it.

Tony B

Stmbtwle
10-03-2012, 06:01 PM
Congratulations!!!!

DitchRider
10-03-2012, 06:29 PM
Congrats! It's a pleasure to welcome another victim to this addiction called houseboats....





Well i bit the bullet and bought my first houseboat. A 1982 Gibson Lazycruz 50' with a single volvo 145a and 280 outdrive. I know it will be a pig to drive,but hey its big. So the fun begins on the remod. It is dry and really solid has spent the last several years under cover and got a great slip with the boat. So the questions will begin shortly!

KC55
10-04-2012, 04:32 AM
Jakebg,

I am happy for you, and envious. My wife and I are looking for a boat and hope to join you soon as new houseboaters.

I look forward to your coming questions, not as a teacher but as a learner. I hope you will share your ongoing story and provide many pictures of your new baby. I wish you the best in this pursuit of joy.

KC55

BananaTom
10-04-2012, 01:57 PM
Looking forward to the maiden voyage post !!!

Jakebg
10-07-2012, 12:58 PM
Well, i spent these past 4 days pressure washing and scrubbing the outside,tearing out carpet and cleaning. Figuring out what systems work and dont work. The boat had a new 110 gal poly fresh water tank and a new 38 gal holding tank (hope its big enough) put in place. they were only half installed. All the lights ,plugs, stove, frig. work on the AC side . The DC side I havent checked yet. Paint is bought for the inside and new flooring. One roof air looks to work ok, the other one i think the motor in shot ( just buzzs). the scary part is the thin has 5 sea-cocks in it.3 intake and 2 dump. From 1/2 to 1-1/2 dia. all seem to be frozen and none are ball valve type. Can't get the boat out till spring . I can hit them with penatrating lube and see it they loose up any ( dont want to force anything) and dont want to use my insurance if you know what i mean. the boat used to be in a river and they dumped everthing, we are in a no dumping lake. so the adventure continues.

BananaTom
10-08-2012, 09:07 AM
The holding tank of 38 gallons should be good. While you are at it, install a fill gauge, so you know when it gets full.I used one that was "tapped" to the outside of the holding tank.

I calculate one half gallon per flush. Therefore you have about 60 to 70 flushes. Some visits to the commode take two flushes to get all the solids down.

Frozen sea cocks should be addressed on the hill, as you suspect. Forcing is known to cause complete failure.

Frantically Relaxing
10-08-2012, 03:25 PM
While I've never had one, I understand the practicality of vee drives. However after reading Gibson42's post, I'm not so sure "avoid outdrives-Vee drives are your friend" is entirely accurate. If I catch an outdrive on something, it'll just raise up-- sounds preferable to having the rudder crack the hull and the prop shaft being ripped out leaving gaping holes below the waterline. And if I find I'm in shallow water, I can lift my drives to avoid hitting anything (or anything else!)

Stmbtwle
10-08-2012, 05:59 PM
Outdrives may have their advantages if you run in skinny or snaggy water, but if I were to go that far I'd go the whole hog and install a couple big outboards. I LIKE my inboard, and I run in shallow water all the time. In the unlikely event of losing a shaft, the stuffing box is easy enough to plug. The trick to any of them is having a SERIOUS bilge pump AND a bilge alarm. If you're sinking you want to know about it soon enough to be able to do something about it.

Jakebg
10-13-2012, 09:07 PM
Another busy day on the boat. Changed all the sanitation lines and replaced the Y valve and finished hooking up the holding tank. Also cleaned out the Ratin electric toilet "YUK" hey but got it working like it should. Tomorrow moving on to the fresh water system, at least its cleaner,

Gibson42lc
10-17-2012, 02:21 PM
Congratulations on getting the LazyCruz. I have just purchased a 42 LC. I have owned two other houseboats in my life but I like this one better than the others. One thing in particular I like is the larger front deck and the front door entrance. Although i have no cuddie, this boat fits wife and me perfect. This boat has 400 hours on it and was a live aboard boat for years. The owner (recently passed away) took immaculate care of the boat and was the second owner. I have found the maintenance records since new. As for work done, we have gutted the entire interior and replaced all carpet (it was original) with engineered hardwoods and painted the entire interior. Installed new furniture in and out and a flat panel tv with wall bracket. Mechanically, we installed new fuel pump on engine (305 V8) and the generator (6.5 Onan). One spark plug wire on Generator was quoted at over 400 bucks (almost fell out) so we made our own and it works fine. The boat had no fly bridge so I found a recently sank Silver Queen and bought the flybridge. It will remain a "dummy" bridge for looks as I have no clue what it would take to get it operational.

The only other thing needed is a less smelly toilet. We have a purisan unit that appears to be working fine but the bathroom STINKS. I have ran water through the toilet several times and put some additive / cleaner through it as well and it just stinks! If you run in to this with your boat and fix it, let me know what you do.

Post some pics of your when you can, I would love to see the progress.

easttnboater
10-18-2012, 06:07 AM
Permeated hoses? Take a warm wet cloth and wipe in on your sanitation hoses. If the cloth stinks, then it is time to replace the hoses.

42gibson
10-18-2012, 04:35 PM
we have that problem on our boat if we dont use it for a while, we use river water to flush and if it stands a few days it stinks for a few flushes, so i put in a inline strainer and keep a chlorine tablet in it and it doesnt happen anymore.

Gibson42lc
10-18-2012, 06:33 PM
We use river water too. I will give that a try. Thanks