12/02/2007 06:56:28 AM
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DaleHollow
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some of you spoke highly of the old tried and true golf cart batts.
I was sure leaning toward the AGM's for house batts & inverter .
hoping I can get one last ya or na on your thoughts on this. Keep in mind my system will be designed to maintain proper voltage for either option on charging & maintaining thanks
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12/02/2007 08:28:45 AM
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stmbtwle
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All things considered I'd still go with golf batteries for the first set; if you ruin them it won't hurt as bad. In 3-5 years you can change to AGMs if you want.
I think the most important thing is to not undersize your battery bank. A too-small set gets over-discharged and doesn't last as long.
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12/02/2007 09:10:55 AM
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MILLERTYME
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Couldn't agree more with stmbtwle, cost is another factor. I have 4 6volt 125a/h batteries and i am going on my 3rd season with them with very little maintenance( monthly water levels) and they were 1/2 the cost of AGM batteries. hands down stick with the Wet Cell batteries.
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Edited: 12/02/2007 at 09:11:27 AM by MILLERTYME
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12/02/2007 09:28:10 AM
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DaleHollow
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I have the agm's heavily discounted, and I would assume the golf cart batt. (the golf cart batts i didnt ask but the ownner has offered the agms almost 50%off,
imstill loking at roughly 1200$ in batt cost for 8 batt, not counting hook ups,
dont mean to sound pre disposed just have enough time to do some good research and where better than to listen to those who have been ther and done it
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Edited: 12/02/2007 at 09:30:57 AM by DaleHollow
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12/02/2007 10:24:12 AM
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stmbtwle
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Wow that's over double what I'd expect! What size are they?
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12/02/2007 02:37:58 PM
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DaleHollow
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stmbw. i cant give you the size I know they are the same size my neighbor got for his new houseboat that was just custom built, his boat took 12 for the inverter, they are certainly the big ones, (as he is retired from the boat manuf. buss.) and wouldnt cut a connor here, one of those persons, a little more is a little better. Your right because I was told they retail for over 300
still like many of you I know how rugged the golf cart btt. have proven over decades, ( i work part time at the golf course here at the state park)...
so I have a couple more week to decide
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12/02/2007 04:03:45 PM
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ted655
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This advise would mean more if "amp hours" (at least), were known
http://www.batterystuff.com/
It all "depends". Using this site as an example, we can compare various batteries by price all night, but what does it mean? Their is more to a battery than it's price
Penny wise, pound foolish.
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If you're getting a smokin deal on AGMs then go for it. It's not like you're life will depend on them. If they don't work out, then at least you gave it a try. AGMs are OK, just not as tough a Golf cart batts. I was foreman @ a golf cart rental in Phoenix once. Those batts take tremendous mistreatment. I just don't have space for 6s on my boat.
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12/02/2007 06:54:32 PM
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stmbtwle
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Unfortunately if you don't know the voltage and capacity of those AGM's there's no way to compare them....
FYI I found 6 volt, 220 amp-hr "Eveready" golf car batteries at Sam's Club today for about $62 each, plus the core charge ($10 in FL). Didn't check warranty.
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Edited: 12/02/2007 at 07:05:48 PM by stmbtwle
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12/02/2007 07:26:21 PM
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DaleHollow
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went to the site mentioned above and found the size battery w/number I was going to get agm 6 volt 200 amp hour this site charges 224$
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12/02/2007 08:49:50 PM
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Lets see here,,,,,
1 agm @ $150. =8 for 1,200.00
1 wet cell @ 62. = 8 for $496.00
Wet cell can be picked up just about anywhere, water can be added if overcharged, tolerant of overcharge.
AGM kinda a rare bird, EXTREMELY suseptable to overcharge, inverter must be factory set for AGM, if even slightly overcharged theyr'e junk.
Even a goose with a little bitty head shouldn't have a lot of trouble fuguring this one out! 
Bob
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12/03/2007 06:08:17 AM
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DaleHollow
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thanks already, i figured the the agm's were a huge waste of money, if you buy your 200 amp/hour batts at a chain store for that pass the name of the store along again thanks for all the help, iwas going to have to fork out nearly $142.00 each for the agm's, isnt this site perfect
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12/03/2007 06:43:13 AM
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stmbtwle
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Check whatever "Big-Box" is near you. Most will have them at a competitive price.
Also check your local Golf Cart shops. They will often give you a good price for a "set"; might even deliver.
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12/03/2007 07:20:37 AM
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ted655
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More confusion, (maybe). We used Trojans in the carts. No real distinctive issues with that brand, they did the job fine. One day we installed a new set of Excides @ the desire of the owner, in 1 cart. He was considering a brand change.
None of us in the shop could believe the increased power that went to the wheels. You could actually "peel out" with the Excides, something not at all possible with the Trojans.
In those days, I cared little for knowing how long a batt lasted or how long the charge lasted, not to mention all the other specs that are per tenet here. I only know they were same amp hr rated.
My point is; there may be a big noticeable difference between makes of batts with the same ratings.
It looks like the $450 extra for AGMs would have to buy you MORE than twice as much of "something", life span,reliability, something, or else you can buy 2 sets of open cells for the same price. So... will 1set of AGMs out perform 2 sets of open cells?
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12/03/2007 09:55:38 AM
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stmbtwle
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The Exides may have been designed with higher "cranking amps" than the Trojans; whether that makes any difference in long-term durability I haven't a clue. Maybe a golf course with a lot of carts could tell you.
I have 6 Trojans in my house bank and a single group 31 Exide to spin my 354 cu in diesel. Can't complain about any of them.
Here's a thread on batteries I just found... IMO it's relevant
http://escapees.infopop.cc/eve...372602561/m/7851077102
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Edited: 12/03/2007 at 10:03:57 AM by stmbtwle
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12/03/2007 11:05:54 AM
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ted655
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The boss never changed suppliers, but for awhile we were planning drag racing on the back lot. Darn! 
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12/03/2007 12:41:24 PM
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DaleHollow
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stble I tried to see if the Sams about 50 miles from here would order those batt, u mentioned I know wal mart will order an item to there store that they carry and not charge you the shipping if u if u pick it up and pay for at the store where as if u order it on line u have shipping charges itd be nice if sams has the same policy
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12/03/2007 02:14:40 PM
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stmbtwle
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Sorry, this is Florida and golf carts are as common as cockroaches.... so many of the big-box stores have the batteries in stock. Only thing I can suggest is call around.
Was talking to the local cart shop where I bought my last set of Trojans; he's selling Dekas now, for about $480 a set.
I also saw that some of the newer carts are running 4-12v batteries, instead of 6-6v or 6-8v. The 12v cart batteries might bear investigation.
I was looking at a couple carts today that allegedly will do 40 mph... but STILL not street legal. [  ]
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12/03/2007 03:24:20 PM
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ted655
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We haven't yet talked about the Canadian batteries, ah... Rolls Roces', I think? Fully repairable components. Pricy but the perfect DYI platform, ie, never buy another battery again!
A good gift for the hard to shop for houseboater 
Edited: 12/03/2007 at 03:26:05 PM by ted655
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12/03/2007 05:34:57 PM
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alreadygone
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Personally sell Deka. Excellent product very few warranty issues.
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12/03/2007 05:46:56 PM
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Skallywag
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Canadian batteries? Rolls Roaches of batts is right!
Try the phone book for golf courses. The maint. engineer will order for you I'm sure. Maybe even drop ship to your hacienda.
You can't beat the GC batteries. I have 8 of the dang things and only one draw back. I also have 4 golf carts on the top deck without batteries. Takes up a lot of room. Try to obtain them in a different fashion than I did. But not to worry, I have them camouflaged with all kinds of lights now.
Merry Christmas everyone,
Skally (Edd)
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