03/24/2008 04:34:15 PM
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Daron
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Hello,
A friend of mine just started to remodel the bathroom in his boat...Well, actually he is going to finish a half a@@ed remodel that the old owner tried.... Basically the toilet is in there, ....There is a new holding tank in the front area of the boat that the hose runs too, but that it...... The raw water hose is also hooked up, but no wiring....... Just what appears to be 12 volt wiring coming into the bayhroom, with wire nuts on them...(one white and one black 12 guage wire of so)....I checked them and one is a ground , the other constant hot....What does he need to run the wires the rest of the way to the toilet????? switch, etc????Also does anyone have the basic wiring diagram I can try to follow and help him out?????
Thanks, Daron
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New to houseboating.....but not boating........
1973 Gibson 30ft (The Mothership)
1996 Rinker Festiva 212...(Dazed and Confused)
Enjoying the Three Rivers of Pittsburgh PA....
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03/24/2008 05:40:59 PM
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stmbtwle
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Depends on the toilet of course. Generally the "hot" wire goes to a heavy-duty (20 amp) pushbutton switch and then to the red or orange wire on the toilet. The "ground" wire goes directly to the black wire on the toilet. Works for me.
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03/24/2008 05:48:04 PM
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OLD HOUSEBOATER
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If it's a crown head its best to incorporate a relay to handle the current flow. A crown motor is basically a starter motor.
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03/25/2008 06:31:24 AM
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peghall
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Installation instructions, including wiring, are included in the
owners manual for the Crown Head, which you can download and print
from the Raritan website here:
http://www.raritaneng.com/products/toilets/electric/crown_head.html
That is, IF yours is the current CD (centrifugual discharge)
version. If it's an older version you can get the manual for it by
calling Raritan: 800-352-5630 x 6.
Electric toilets should be on their own separate circuit, shared by
nothing else that can pull power away from it if on at the same
time...'cuz low voltage to a toilet motor can damage the motor over
time. It's also important that the wire size be the correct size
for the distance to the power source (battery).
If your holding tank is more than about 6' from the toilet, you may
need to move it..'cuz 6' is about as far as bowl contents
will move in the amount of time 99% of people will spend flushing a
toilet...and if it doesn't get to the tank, it sits in the hose to
permeate it. For more on installing and maintaining holding tanks,
you might want to check out the link in my signature.
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03/26/2008 05:28:29 PM
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Daron
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Thanks to all of you....The information is great..... I removed the head and cleaned it up for him, and filled with water to check for a leak.....The water just flowed out of the outlet...Is this normal??? Does the outlet hose loop hold a certain amount of water in the bowl when hooked up????
Thanks, Daron
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New to houseboating.....but not boating........
1973 Gibson 30ft (The Mothership)
1996 Rinker Festiva 212...(Dazed and Confused)
Enjoying the Three Rivers of Pittsburgh PA....
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03/26/2008 06:14:05 PM
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OLD HOUSEBOATER
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Normally no water is held in the bowl. If you want to hold water in the bowl you need to install a vented loop.
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03/27/2008 09:18:57 AM
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TheJudge
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There is a thing called a Joker Valve in that system that was designed to hold water in the bowl but it does not do a great job in the first place and it does not last long with the abuse it gets so none of the Crowns really hold water very well.
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03/27/2008 02:10:31 PM
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peghall
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Sorry, Judge, but the joker valve is not designed to let the bowl
hold water in a Crown or any other toilet.
A joker valve is a one-way valve whose sole purpose is to prevent
backflow of waste into the bowl from the head discharge line. It
should be replaced at least every 2 years...annually is better. In
fact, the only way to make a toilet hold water is to remove the
joker valve and run the discharge line from the toilet straight up
to a loop, so that water left in the line between the bowl and the
top of the loop after flushing can run back down into the bowl
(Some toilets--the Raritan Atlantes for instance--offer a version
that has the loop already installed).
Marine toilets are purposely designed NOT to hold water in the bowl
because the water can end up all over the head in rough seas.
A houseboat may never see 10-15' or higher seas, but marine toilets
are designed for use on boats in all conditions, they aren't
specifically designed for use on houseboats on flat waters.
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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987, Author: "Get Rid of Boat Odors--A Guide to Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor."
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03/28/2008 01:23:17 PM
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TheJudge
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Well, I learn something new every day. The "jokes" on me. I will say though that before I put a factory rebuilt unit in with a joker valve which my head did not have(some joker must have removed it) my head would not hold water. But after I put that valve in there it does hold it for a period of time but it slowly leaks down so I thought it had to be that valve. Peg wins again! You can't slip anything by her and that's no joke.
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05/06/2008 01:27:37 PM
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Head Master
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Judge, sometimes when the joker valve is brand-new and nice and tight, it will keep water in the bowl for a while. But this is only a side benefit that won't last. The purpose of the joker valve isn't to hold water in the bowl, in fact it's just the opposite - it's to keep water from backing up into the bowl when you get a pressure buildup or a partial clog somewhere further down the line.
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